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Premise Bias
A few years back I was in a bar with a couple of friends. M had just gone off to grad school and was giving us reports about the people in her program and their work. G was her bestest best friend at the time and had already heard all of the shit-talk. I was sipping a particularly well mixed snake-bite (half stout half hard cider); I put it down quickly and said, “Yeah, so what was so terrible [about their work]?”
M said, “Oh, my God, Sharif! It’s just so baaaad! I was wondering how they got into this program, you know?” G started giggling, already aware of the dirt. “One guy, wrote a poem about werewolves having sex.” G couldn’t restrain herself and burst out laughing.
I smiled, “So why was it bad?”
M restrained a yell, “It was about werewolves having sex!”
“And was it not done well?” I asked. G began to stop laughing.
M insisted, “It was about werewolves having sex!” M noticed that I wasn’t really amused, in fact I was judging her for closed-mindedness.
“Okay, well, hear this one! Someone wrote a poem about vampires!” She said a few more things and shot down her classmates, offering little more explanation than premises. As someone who writes high concept work like a stork who kidnaps babies (“Stork” in Writing That Risks to be released by Red Bridge Press Fall 2013) or a Roomba that kills itself (“Roomba Suicide” Perceptions Magazine of the Arts. Print only. 2013.) I had a feeling that they were indirectly trying to take digs at me.
I asked, “So what subjects can art be about and what subjects are not art?”
Where as M and I were writing students, G was an art/writing double major. While writing classes do not actually address the questions of “What is art?” art classes definitely do. G stopped laughing.
M was trying to regain her status and justify her remarks, “No, you just don’t do poems like that.” This was just like her, to say an opinion like it is fact and expect you to take it on her authority.
“What about a poem about a video game?” I asked. Sensing that this was a trap, she didn’t spring it. I sprung it on her anyway, “What if that video game was Sega Ghost Squad?” She knew I was referring to the poem by Colette Atkinson, our former professor at our university. “Ideas aren’t writing. Anyone can have ideas. It’s how you write them that determines if they’re good. Colette Atkinson used Ghost Squad very well to tell the story of a shitty relationship…Just because it’s not ‘high art’ doesn’t mean it’s bad.”
I’m not sure whether they were trolling me or not, but the discussion ended there.
I was reminded of this anecdote when I was talking on the phone with a writer in my program and friend Jonathan Rosenthal (Pound Puppies, Recess, Hey Arnold!). We were talking about the premise for Pixar’s “Ratatouille,” which is a great film. Jonathan said, “No premise is bad so long as it has a good answer to the question ‘And then what happens?'”
Seriously, that is such a FANTASTIC writing perspective that I’m going to quote it again:
“No premise is bad so long as it has a good answer to the question ‘And then what happens?'” -Jonathan Rosenthal
Looking at the premise for My Little Pony: Equestria Girls, it is a pretty awful premise.
Princess Twilight Sparkle must leave her land of magical talking ponies and become a human in the human world where she must become prom queen to win back her stolen crown.
It was so awful that people started throwing fits about it, and death threats were given to DHX (the studio that animates MLP). Before this similar hostility was given to MA Larson for writing the episode where Twilight Sparkle becomes a princess/god/alicorn. Yet after seeing the actual execution of these premises, people remembered that Megan McCarthy and MA Larson are actually pretty bad ass writers who can handle their shit.
A premise itself, is not enough to judge a work. If you are this closed minded you can keep yourself from writing the next great novel, or publishing it, or making it into that movie. Keep in mind that bronies should have never liked My Little Pony. They discovered that despite the genre, the premise, and the demographics, the execution of the show made it something more than just engaging, but heartfelt and powerful.
I really liked Spenser’s (Brony Clubhouse) video expressing his disappointment with the over reacting part of the brony fandom who should know better than to judge a work by the basic idea alone.
So let’s play a game. I’m going to put a list of premises/ideas of existing properties. Your studio has developed a reputation for producing terrible films. They hired you to try to turn the studio’s reputation around. You are authorized to make 5 properties, whether it’s a TV show or a movie, or whatever. You will not be working on the films, your job is just to green light the films you think will be the best. You must reject 5 ideas and go with the best 5 based upon their premise. Honor system. No cheating if you recognize the title. Remember, your studio is not concerned with money, but quality.
- Sex-changing martial artist finds himself having to deal with the challenge of having too many fiances while constantly having to engage his enemies on various forms of combat from martial arts Japanese tea-ceremony to ice skating martial arts fighting.
- A teenager takes a time traveling car back in time accidentally undoing the circumstances of his own birth.
- A teenage girl finds herself obsessively and dangerously in love with a monster hiding as a human, which is perfectly evolved to be irresistible.
- A bunch of high school kids from different cliques attend Saturday school together and learn they aren’t so different.
- A rat who wants to be a chef tries to achieve his dream by controlling a human who is hopeless at cooking by pulling his hair.
- Unlikely paranormal investigators must save the world from the upcoming apocalypse to be brought about by The Great Destroyer, who takes the form of a giant commercial marshmallow man.
- A bookworm studying magic is forced to study the magic of friendship in order to prevent the world from being cast in eternal darkness.
- The last members of a dying planet shoot their baby to a distant planet whose sun gives him super strength, speed, vision, and flight.
- After a failed attempt to drown himself in a river, a man finds himself stranded on an island in the middle of the city, where he uses trash to adapt to his new life.
- Things go wrong in a theme park full of dinosaurs causing a life and death situation for the people there.
BONUS: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Ranma 1/2: If you thought of making something with this premise and decided against actually doing it, then you’re not Rumiko Takahashi, at a point Japan’s wealthiest woman, who made a fortune off of Ranma 1/2 and Inuyasha. Both of these series are not just widely popular but are considered classics and a must watch for any anime enthusiast.
Back to the Future: The way I wrote that premise, I would not have made this movie and I love time travel…and cars. But the premise just sounded bad or at least like it could go bad at any moment.
Twilight: I have to say I would have put my money on making this. The premise sounds fantastic! But are these good movies/book? I’m of the popular opinion that they aren’t (even though I’ve only read a chapter or two of the books). That’s the reason I included it. To show that even a good premise with poor execution will make a bad movie. Really what we’re learning here is that a writer’s ability isn’t in his ideas, but how he brings them to life.
The Breakfast Club: This movie does not have a premise that would make me risk investing my money, but it’s a classic. It resonates with a lot of people…people who still live with their parents.
Ratatouille: This is the film that inspired this blog post. At least it inspired the conversation that inspired this blog post. After the movie was made someone at Pixar was lamenting how stupid the premise was, even though the film ended up being fantastic.
Ghostbusters: Proving that with humor you can really get away with a lot. One of the better TA instructors at UCI taught me that with humor, camp, self awareness, and lampshades you can make a really enjoyable work which gets away with anything. Ghostbusters not only gets away with murder with the Stay Puft Man, but they created one of the most recognizable scenes in cinema.
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: Well, without someone buying into this premise, none of us would be here. I’d probably have a much more cynical blog where I’m just like every other jerk writer trying to establish some sort of platform for himself. I’d probably be trying to exploit my race or something. Anyway, without someone giving the magic of friendship a chance, we wouldn’t have followed Twilight Sparkle and friends. We wouldn’t have discovered that a world of ponies could be so rich with humanity.
Superman: Coming from one of the dumbest origin stories ever, Superman has become the icon of modern day mythos and American society. So goes America, so goes Superman. “Man of Steel,” possibly being the first film to crash airplanes in building since 2001, is really a film about the divided identity of America post 9-11. Speaking of “Man of Steel” I would argue that this film shows how a movie can be simultaneously excellent and terrible based on execution alone and not the premise.
Casaway on the Moon: This is a South Korean film, so of course they’re obsessed with the effects of capitalism and technology on the human individual. This film explores the human pain and loneliness while being surrounded by people. This is profound, powerful, creative, fun, moving, and on Netflix. It would be a shame if someone passed on this because of the premise.
Jurassic Park: Of course this film made a gagillion dollars. As a kid this was the only film I saw which traumatized me and made me afraid of getting eating by a T-Rex each time I went to the bathroom. If that doesn’t make a great film I don’t know what does…other than great characters, plot, tragic elements…
Bonus: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Enough said.
It’s natural for us to create patterns of what will be good and what won’t be. It’s to save us time and let us know that a movie about a hot tub time machine is a terrible idea. But keep in mind that good artists are not trying to just remake what has been done, but to break expectations and destroy the established paradigms. My Little Pony was done poorly a few times in the past. This My Little Pony is so great, because Lauren Faust broke paradigm after paradigm of what we expect from television for little girls. Unfortunately, premise bias is strong in the writing community and risk taking isn’t.
Read MoreHow To Do a Kickstarter (Short Version)
I hate most crowdfunding. It’s not really that I have a problem with the concept, but most people irritate me with they way they ask for my money. It’s like you’re asking ME for money so that you can start a business in which you keep making money, and I get an overpriced ______. So you should at least try to seduce me a little and not just be a bunch of annoying, entitled 20 something year olds. Show me that you care. Show me this is real. Show me that I’m not just a sucker and a means to an end. Make me feel like I’m a part of something special, not just something special to you, but to me and the rest of the world.
How do you do that? Here are some Cliff Notes that should help. Later I’ll do a more expanded post focusing on the videos, perks, & e-mails.
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1. Look like you’re serious (If your project is fun, show that you’re serious about fun).
2. Look like you’ve actually put some of your own money into this project (at least INVEST IN YOUR VIDEO!)
3. Look like you would actually invest in this project yourself.
4. Look like you aren’t just asking someone to pay the rent and buy you Taco Bell while you make art.
Ethics
1. Don’t look like you’re trying to get other people to cover your investment costs while you reap all of the benefits.
2. BE FAIR TO THE PEOPLE GIVING YOU MONEY!
3. Be appreciative of ANY donation.
Sales
1. Don’t pan handle. A donation should get the donor (no matter how small) something if possible. Ideally use advance sales of the product or discounts towards purchases of the product.
2. Give people something they would want.
3. Explain to people why your project is something they should believe in and support.
4. If you can, your perks can be used to endorse your product (ie. Free trials, posters, stickers, etc.)
So I have to say, my friends Niree Perian, Susannah Luthi, and Kai Chan have done a textbook PERFECT job in all of these criteria with their crowdfunded project of Connu. You don’t have to donate (though you should if you can) but at least look at how well executed their campaign is and use this as a model for your own projects.
More:
How To Do a Kickstarter: Sharif Acts Like Don Draper on an E-Mail (Public Relations)
How To Do a Kickstarter: Perks
How To Do a Kickstarter: E-Mails
How To Do a Kickstarter (Short Version)
Underrated Never Talked about Skill for Writers: A Rambly Sort of Thing
Today in class I started bringing up theory again. Recently I’ve noticed my professor looks at me and smiles when I bring up some obscure topics and essays (I don’t know if she did that all semester or just felt nostalgic because today was the last day of class). This time it was a piece by a Korean feminist talking about masculinity in oppressed cultures. She said to me, “I’m always amazed by what you can bring to the conversation.”
Later tonight I went to visit a friend in the hospital. A week earlier she was just an acquaintance. In the hospital I argued with a nurse about why her pain wasn’t being managed and why the doctors seemed to think post-op pain of a 9 out of 10 was “normal” and didn’t need treatment. My mom was a pain management nurse and now teaches nursing at a university. I learned the lingo. I learned how to ask for drugs without seeming drug seeking. I learned how to advocate for my friend.
On the drive home I thought about my teacher’s words. I realized something I decided was probably the biggest gift to myself.
I came up with two rules for myself:
1. Whenever I didn’t know something, I would ask about it.
This includes what words mean, things I claim to be an expert on, and things that people would probably prefer not to talk about.
2. I would let people talk to me about any subject.
I let my cousins and some of my friends teach me about cars. I’ve let my sister (a women’s health nurse) teach me about different speculum, benefits of clear plastic over metal, and that some of them have lights. My mom taught me about pain management in hospitals. I’ve had people talk to me about all kinds of subjects from Apple products to humor theory to rollercoasters to Wutang Clan.
If you don’t want to hear about something, it’s probably, because you don’t know enough to appreciate it.
These rules will help you develop a sense of curiosity and wonder for the human creature. Something that should show up in your writing.
Now people will go out and people watch. Wonderful activity, but also very shallow and superficial. You’ll only get the surface without context. If you talk to a person, they will teach you about entirely new ways of seeing the world, maybe these ways aren’t always positive. Of course this is granted they even want to talk to you.
Most people want to talk about things. Some people will even talk to you about the worst tragedy to ever happen to them. More people will tell you these things if they feel you’ll listen and understand.
I won’t tell someone to stop talking. I’ll interrupt, because I’m so excited about the conversation, but I won’t tell them to stop talking.
It’s beautiful. The human being. I was with a girl and angry at the world. I said, “I have never felt so misanthropic.”
She laughed (and not just at how angsty I was being), “You’re not a misanthrope. You’re an anthropologist. I’ve never seen someone so in love with people.” This was a surprise to me. I didn’t realize this was true. I also didn’t realize she could ever show this level of understanding about me. At least I used to think that. It must be untrue since I fell in love with her.
Talking to people, reading their blogs will expand your mind more than anything (Even if it’s starting to get unfocused, rhapsodize-y, and digressive). You’ll never know what you’ll learn and from where. Did you think you would find a passionate, sincere, intellectual blog about the human condition with a bunch of ponies on it?
I’ve talked to a drunk punk rock bassist in the Inland Empire about his view on the world, it was disparate from the views of a privileged girl I talked to in Orange County, but there is always confluence. We want the same things: love, respect, to feel special, safety, etc.
We all have the fear of time and being mortal adding pressure on our desires. From this is conflict. From this we do our worsts to each other and even our bests. When written with justice to the characters, this conflict will allow you to see yourself in the worst of people as well as the best. We are all the same, it’s the priorities and the situations that make us different, whether by nature or nurture.
There’s a price to this, the more you learn what people want and their motivations, the harder it is to judge them. Although, this seems positive, keep in mind that these people will make you mad. They will hurt you. You will feel mad and stay awake at night. You’ll wish you were just wondering why they would do something to hurt you, but you’ll know why. You’ll know their motivations, what they want in life. You’ll know that if you were them, desperate for the same petty things, then you would hurt other people for them as well. It would be hard and wrong for you to hate them for being who they are. So you don’t take any action, even though you’re hurt.
With this understanding there’s nowhere for your hate and frustrations to go. You’re stuck with them.
Sorry, where was I? Oh, yeah, people will reveal more to you than they realize. They will tell you their ideologies, their secrets, their experiences even if they don’t intend to. And isn’t understanding how other people think and act what character work is all about?
That’s not necessarily a rhetorical question. Let me know how you think about anything I’ve brought up. Clearly, I’m interested.
PS. For more on this subject read Virginia Woolf’s short story “An Unwritten Novel” to get the value of people watching and some of its drawbacks. For the benefits of talking to people and how you can learn things about their character that they themselves don’t even realize they are saying read Robert Browning’s “My Last Duchess”
Read MoreCrazy Week
Hey everyone,
This post will be a little different. I just wanted to talk about my week, which was pretty crazy. Mostly my weeks just involve things on Netflix in between homework and independent projects.
Monday: My short story “Lagomorph” was work shopped by a guest instructor David Francis because our normal instructor Judith Freeman couldn’t make it. Although, it was very well received and the world was loved, there were a lot of great comments from my classmates and Mr. Francis.
I went home to try to write something like 8 more pages to my already written 2.
Tuesday: I woke up early and I finished my first 10 pages of my first real attempt at a feature length screenplay. They were shitty, but entertaining. I now have a copy of my screenplay with Syd Field’s notes on it. He mostly wrote that I’m really good at dialogue and my pages failed to have the most important things you need to have in the first 10 pages, dramatic need of your character. Which I knew I needed. I’m that guy who is always talking about the dramatic need. But I panicked to be honest. Screenwriting isn’t my strongest genre. So my deadline made me lose my shit.
I work well with deadlines in fiction. The first draft of “Lagomorph” was finished hours right at the deadline. Most of which written within 12 hours of it. But with screenwriting, it is a different beast. With fiction you write a story logically, and it will flow. When you write a screenplay it’s like you’re writing a story to a flow. One is like Eminem on a bus writing words and performing to a beat later. The other is like George Watsky writing a song to a beat.
Wednesday: I got e-mailed from David Francis. He was saying how he was still thinking about my short story and was giving me more suggestions about many of my choices in the piece. We e-mailed back and forth. Although, many people would see it as “This guy kept messaging me to tell me how bad my work is,” I look at this as, “This author was intrigued enough by my story to keep investing his time to make sure that it becomes something.” This is both a testament to David Francis’ character and my draft of the story.
Later someone on Facebook who I only kinda knew from chance encounters in the program, posted something about her thesis being trapped on a laptop which had suffered an attack from a cup of coffee. She needed help. Last time something like this happened, a girl I kinda knew needed a ride to the dentist and I volunteered. She is now one of my closest friends. So again I offered to help her. Her hard drive was whirling in the enclosure, but my computer couldn’t access the files. She thanked me anyway with beer and introducing me to her friend. So I made 2 friends in one afternoon.
Also I work got a humor piece looked at by one of my writer friends while she was at work. So she got paid to read my manuscript. If you workshop with someone who works at a writing center or tutoring service that offers free edits, turn their work hours into a workshop and help them get paid and have more free time.
Thursday: I got a call from my community college tennis coach. He was asking how I have been and said it was around the time of the Ojai tournament. He wanted to hear from “The Legend of Ojai” (me). This title was not earned through tennis ability. I’ll tell this story at another time in another form.
Most of this day was studying and homework and preparing for my reading on Saturday. My friend Angie canceled on our plans to play tennis, so I was free to hang out with The Brony Clubhouse who were hanging out at the Buffalo Wild Wings right by my house. We sang karaoke. I did “Prince Ali” from Aladdin and at Cayci’s request did “Material Girl” by Madonna. Some girl thought it was cool to record me. So if you see video of me singing “Material Girl” kidney punch that bitch.
Of course later Spenser sang “You Got a Friend in Me” and stole the show. I also got to meet some bronies like Dan. I got to catch up with other bronies that I’ve met before who are cool and I can never spend enough time with them like Briston, David (Discord), Tyler, Rina-Chan, Nick, and a dude named Jeremy. I’m sure I’m forgetting people. Brony Clubhouse crew is like overwhelming with cool people.
While there, actually, some guy approached me to take pictures of some toys people at our table had. They were custom painted OC’s. I said sure. As he was taking the pictures he said, “I’m going to make fun of you guys on /b/.”
I said, “Don’t worry. Bronies are the internet.”
He said, “You guys are the cancers of the internet.”
I said, “You realize if you post that on 4chan that everyone is just going to ask where they can get their own.”
It was noisy, and I don’t think he heard me. So if you see OC pony toys on a cup of Sprite, then that was us.
Friday: This day started rad. I found great parking and I had my first meeting with my thesis adviser, Trinie Dalton. Getting a thesis adviser is always scary. I’ve heard horror stories (My adviser never meets with me. My adviser made me write a horror novel and I hate horror novels! My adviser was literally on drugs the last time we met). Trinie was really cool! She understands what I want to do with my writing. She knows the type of writer I am and is flexible about my multi-genre thesis. I decided to push my luck “I want to include a comics section to my thesis.” She was down.
One problem, she scheduled a meeting right before EQLA. I told her, “I’m going to a MLP convention and I may or may not have a panel that I may be giving on creative writing.” She was like BAM! RESCHEDULED! YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT MY LITTLE PONY CONVENTION!
Go back to my car to see a parking ticket. I also noticed that someone hit my car and scratched the paint. I was on the 110 going home and picked the 101 to Universal Studios in order to cheer myself up and inspire me to write my next 10 pages of screenplay.
I lost my phone there. I found out when I go to pick my friend Mike (from Westcoaster) up and I couldn’t call him. He called my phone though:
Woman: Hello?
Mike (kinda drunk): You’re not Sharif!
hangs up.
So I called my phone and it is with the Sheriff’s department in City Walk.
Saturday: Late that night Mike and I watched “Red State,” ovened a frozen pizza and rehearsed for my reading the next day.
Instead of going to awesome shit at the LA Times Festival of Books, I went to Hollywood to get my phone. That night I read to a packed auditorium. A small auditorium, but with every seat filled. Most of the people were my friends, whom I had guilted into coming or who came because they loved me (more on this later probably).
The reading went really well. I met a brony named Michael who came to check out my reading of “Best Pony.” Afterwards he came to me and said that we need to get a reading of “Best Pony” on Equestria Daily. I might be biased, but I agree with him.
Sunday: More book fest. More panels. Worked the MPW booth a little bit. My friend Mike got some shit signed by the people who do “Knott’s Preserved.” I dropped Mike at home and did a mad homework blitz.
A Thousand Words or So to the Community College Bound
One of the lies we are told growing up is that if you study hard in high school, then you’ll make it to a big school and that school will be the key to your success. Not doing your work will get you a McDonald’s job. I have found this to be the adolescent equivalent of “keep making that face, and it will stick that way.”
Going to Mt. San Antonio Community College didn’t equal my failure. After completing the requirements, I applied and got into UCLA, Berkley, & UC Irvine. At the time UC Irvine was the one with the most impressive English program so I went there (Yes, better than UCLA). When I went there I ran into the salutatorian of my high school class who could only demand “What the hell are you doing here?!”
Although she never liked me, this wasn’t the reason for her outrage. She was pissed because throughout high school she acted the way she should have, and I didn’t. She had a GPA above 4.0 in high school. Mine was more like 3.0 (for an honors kid this was like having the GPA of an etch-a-sketch). Yet, there we were sharing the same prestige, in fact I saved about $50,000 for dicking around in high school. Isn’t there a bible story on this?
Reason 1: You can get the same degree with about half the debt. This will help, because your English degree from that top university won’t get you a decent job. It will just help you beat out people without degrees for crap jobs.
For me community college wasn’t a stumbling block, I knew this was a dangerous place where if I didn’t take things seriously, then I would never escape its publicly funded clutches. This caused me to stop looking at my GE’s as something in the way of my real academic pursuits. They became a means to an end.
It turns out that writers need to know more about the world than just writing. Otherwise they’re writers writing about writing. Although, I’ll admit, I find writing the most fun when I’m writing about writing or writers or writer problems, but sometimes it might be cool to write a piece about a marine biologist, or a piece that explores philosophical ideas, and I’m sure a course in chemistry didn’t hurt the writer of “Breaking Bad.”
Reason 2: Community College is a death trap and the fear of it might make you actually study and learn things you can use in your writing.
When you transfer to a four year school you may notice a few changes. At UC Irvine I noticed that instead of being taught by an experienced adult with several publications and familiarity with the writing game, my instructors were replaced with grad students who were about my age and felt uncomfortable about the “Where have you been published?” question.
To be honest, I got lucky with most of my graduate instructors, most. Each of them offered me something new that has changed my views on writing forever, that includes the, um, less awesome TA’s.
But my community college mentor John Brantingham has done more to shape my views of writing than any other professor. In fact, he has probably shaped the fiction sections of “Writing Is Magic” more than any of my other professors.
Reason 3: Community college instructors tend to be more experienced teachers and writers (of course your own experience is subject to change).
Even if your counselor is like “Yeah, you totally took this class in community college!” there’s probably someone in the English department who is like “You’re going to have to take all your creative writing classes over again.”
So you will start again and you’ll listen to someone else talk about writing, but wait! This isn’t what a story is! This reading assignment doesn’t fit into what I was taught! Clearly I went to the wrong school! What’s Post-Modernism?! AAAAAH! THIS IS ALL WRONG!
This is fine. You came from one school with one way of doing things, and you’re entering a new school with a new way of doing things. The changes can be dramatic or subtle. If you’re lucky it’s dramatic and intimidating. Your mind will have to figure some way to reconcile the aesthetics and find your own path. Take what works. Leave what doesn’t. Don’t forget what doesn’t work; just leave it alone. It might be a key ingredient to your writing later on. If you aren’t going through these growing pains, THAT’S when I would worry that I didn’t go to the right school – but then maybe you did.
You might find yourself being behind the other students who already get the house style. They’ve been here since they graduated high school. This is the only way they know how to think about writing. However, as you start to find your voice, you will be the one with the advantage and confidence.
They have only attended one writing program. By this point you have attended two. They are a product of their program, with all of its strengths and weaknesses. Hopefully, you’ve managed to fill in the holes of your new four year school with the strengths of your community college teachings.
By your final years, you might be one of the finest writers in your program. You might even give some of the MFA’s a run for their money. But don’t be discouraged if your colleagues can’t see it; when they go off to do their MFA, you will get reports back saying “Remember what you said in workshop? Well, my professor said the same thing!”
I’ve said things in a peer workshops which were laughed at, and I was brushed off as having silly theories about writing. I said the same thing at USC and my professor actually applauded (If I’m not nominated for a TED talk in the next 3 years, I’ll do a video on it here).
You see everything they’ve been told to think about writing they got from one source, probably the aesthetic styles of whoever runs the program. Since you are their peer, you’ll lack credibility to have new ideas brought in and respected by the ego-driven crowds. To say something that disagrees with the house style, no matter how flawed the house style is or how sound your reason is, they will think that it is you who doesn’t understand. So they will need someone of merit to tell them the same thing you did before they’ll listen. (Befriend those who are open-minded enough to listen to you; this will keep you sane.)
Reason 5: No creative writing program is perfect. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. Already having a few creative writing classes from a different perspective will help you compensate for some of the weaknesses. If you didn’t go to community college, you’d have to wait until grad school to have this experience.
Although this was just my experience. Your experience may will vary. If you’ve gone through the community college system, feel free to comment on how it was like for you.